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Locker  Feb 15, 2011 • 7:53:06am

Hello there Socky.

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Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Feb 15, 2011 • 8:18:05am

Weird lack of any in-context quotes from Soros.

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sliv_the_eli  Feb 15, 2011 • 9:44:16am

re: #2 Obdicut

Weird lack of any in-context quotes from Soros.

If you follow the link from the CAMERA piece to Soros’ WaPost op-ed you will find the in-context quotes from Soros. For your convenience, I have pulled out the paragraph containing Soros’ idiocy about how Israel and American Jews are supposedly the stumbling block in the way of President Obama “doing the right thing”:

“The main stumbling block is Israel. In reality, Israel has as much to gain from the spread of democracy in the Middle East as the United States has. But Israel is unlikely to recognize its own best interests because the change is too sudden and carries too many risks. And some U.S. supporters of Israel are more rigid and ideological than Israelis themselves. Fortunately, Obama is not beholden to the religious right, which has carried on a veritable vendetta against him. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee is no longer monolithic or the sole representative of the Jewish community. The main danger is that the Obama administration will not adjust its policies quickly enough to the suddenly changed reality.”

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Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Feb 15, 2011 • 9:47:14am

re: #3 sliv_the_eli

That isn’t a scapegoat for the Egyptian upheavel, in the least, though. I mean, Soros doesn’t seem at all opposed to the Egyptian upheaval, so it’s weird that the headline would claim he’s trying to scapegoat anyone for it. In fact, he’s hopeful for success in the revolution.

I don’t agree with Soros’s representation of AIPAC, but to claim Soros is scapegoating Israel for the ‘upheavel’— which Soros supports— is backwards.

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sliv_the_eli  Feb 15, 2011 • 10:52:22am

re: #4 Obdicut

I agree, the headline posted on the mini-page here on LGF seems to be wrong. Soros was not blaming Israel for the upheaval. To the contrary, he gratuitously sought to scapegoat Israel and an AIPAC-led “fifth column” of American Jews as seeking to stand in the way of democratic reform and of seeking to block President Obama from supporting the upheaval.

As for Soros’ swipe at AIPAC, I view that as simply an attempt to plug his baby, J-Street.

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Bob Levin  Feb 15, 2011 • 11:03:46am

re: #4 Obdicut

The scapegoating claim was from the title, and if you use the bookmarklet, you get the title that is printed. I understand that sometimes you should change the title, but I also understand it if you don’t—wanting the original source to remain as intact as possible.

But Soros did say that the US needs to jump in front of this and side with the protesters immediately, that the US wants to do this, but Israel is stopping this from happening. This is how I understood his comment.

However, proper diplomatic procedure was not so cut and dried. The US, in hindsight, handled this pretty well. Although, a pledge of support from the State Department carries less weight than it did before the revolt. In the world of foreign policy, promises, a history of working with someone, has to mean something and cannot be tossed aside quickly. The actions toward one country in one case reverberate to all nations and every case. This is the difficulty in foreign policy.

Soros overlooked this complexity, and instead chose to focus on Israel as an obstacle. I’m not sure how honest this is. It certainly plays into the hands of the Pat Buchanan’s who feel that Israel controls US foreign policy.

Soros didn’t do anything to lessen the stereotype of a nefarious Israel.

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Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Feb 15, 2011 • 11:54:05am

re: #6 Bob Levin

I think the person submitting the article is, in fact, the author of it as well.


But Soros did say that the US needs to jump in front of this and side with the protesters immediately, that the US wants to do this, but Israel is stopping this from happening. This is how I understood his comment.

I’m not sure how you understand that from what he said, though.

Soros didn’t do anything to lessen the stereotype of a nefarious Israel.

Nope, he didn’t. However, Israel was, really, truly, quite wishy-washy in any support of the protesters.

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Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Feb 15, 2011 • 11:55:06am

re: #5 sliv_the_eli

Can you please cite the part where Soros talks about a fifth column of American Jews?


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